| Pretty much a simple little survey of sorts. We | | | | magazine. Don't know if it's been worked out, but it |
| currently have the M9 (Beretta 92FS 9mm) as the | | | | could be a major problem. I have both 9mary ammo |
| standard issue side arm for most military MOS's. | | | | and a 45cal. prefer the 45 over the 9mary ammo. |
| There's no substitute for the old Colt 45, but if you | | | | Have concealed weapon permit, I carry the 45cal. My |
| happen to find a 9mm Luger and the extractor and | | | | 45 is over 33 years old and still shoot like it was |
| the ejector don't break, well there's just something | | | | brand new. I go through a box of ammo for each |
| about the Luger that is magnificent! I guess I'm just | | | | every month. .45 calibers. The premiere |
| one of those people that think, if you're using a side | | | | mans-stopping round, proven over and over as an |
| arm, someone is too close and you need to knock | | | | excellent heavy pistol round since 1911. |
| them down. Ill takes stopping power over velocity | | | | I think the .40 cal was a compromise, going up to the |
| any day. | | | | 10mm, but the .45 was designed to drop a |
| You can hit target on the earlobe with a .45cal and | | | | drug-crazed terrorist (also known as a Moro |
| knock it flat. If the police had .45s instead of 9mm in | | | | tribesman in the Muslim influenced areas of the |
| the Hollywood shootout, they would not have had to | | | | Philippines'). I say bring them back. I have witnessed |
| get rifles from a gun store. It might not have gone | | | | what the 9mm doesn't do. .45 any day. While the |
| thru the armor but would have knocked them flat | | | | venerable 45 was, in fact, designed to knock down |
| and let them close. Just ask the FBI about their tragic | | | | the original uppity Muslims and almost 100 years later |
| 1986 Miami shootout. On the linked chart note the | | | | is still relevant. On a personal note, I could never |
| weapons of agents Grogan and Dove, the two | | | | qualify above Sharpshooter with it. With the M9, I |
| agents who lost their lives in the gun battle. The | | | | got Expert the first time out and every shoot |
| agents had to shoot the two suspects several times | | | | afterwards. |
| to bring them down--none of the FBI agents involved | | | | The Beretta 92F was brought in because the US |
| were armed with .45 caliber weapons. | | | | needed to maintain the bases in Italy. It was very |
| As I understand it we converted to 9mm in order to | | | | simply a "Quid Pro Quo." No studies were done, no |
| conform to NATO. In my opinion it was a ridiculous | | | | one's opinion was asked, the change was simply |
| compromise. The purpose of a side arm is to defend | | | | done. No military member I have asked would take a |
| yourself in close quarters. A 9mm will injure an | | | | 9mm over a .45. Many people I talked to owe their |
| adversary, but leave him active enough to possibly | | | | lives to the .45. |
| still do you harm. 45cal. on the other hand will disable | | | | I've also heard that .45s are like gold over in Iraq, as |
| the individual most entirely. Made by Colt or whoever | | | | soldiers there are trying to get their hands on one |
| the 45. Is superior for flat out stopping power and | | | | because the 92F doesn't do the job. The only way a |
| NATO should have conformed to us. . 45 bring 'them | | | | 9mm can stack up to the .45 in stopping power is if |
| back alive. Beretta is mucho regretted. | | | | you're using Black Talon or Gold Dot hollow-point |
| I've also heard that the model 92 Beretta has a | | | | ammo. However I have heard these two brands of |
| problem with not chambering the final round in its | | | | ammo are now restricted. |